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Old December 2nd, 2007, 12:40 AM
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From what I just read in the news, the past Monday night football game, between the Miami Dolphins and the Pittsburg Steelers was marred by the fact that the National Anthem was not played at the beginning or anytime during the game. Incredible about how much our society has fallen. To rub salt into the wound, I read the responses afterwards in the article and there were so many people saying "so what?". Makes me want to tear their brains out. Wait... they don't have any. How do you feel about this?
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Michael, I agree with you. By the way, here is Art Rooney's apology:

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Steelers president Art Rooney II said Tuesday the team now wishes the anthem had been played.

''Due to the weather conditions that delayed the kickoff of our Monday night football game, a last-second decision was made to forgo the national anthem prior to kickoff,'' Rooney said in a statement issued by the team. ''In retrospect, the decision to cancel the national anthem was one that we regret. We apologize to our fans who attended the game and pledge that it is a situation that we hope will never happen again.''
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I wonder who actually made the decision, the teams, the league or the network
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 04:58 AM
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Venice,

I'm suprised you even have to ask that question........

You don't think that the NFL has any control over the broadcasts, do you?!

And I'm not picking on you!

It's just that football games don't seem to be about themselves any longer. It's all about the hype, don't you know. Just ask the Super Bowl...........

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both of us can make a good guess who made the decision....by the way, what happen to your team
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This just reinforces my opinion that professional sports have ALL gotten out of hand. It's all about the money, and absolutely nothing else. I've totally given up on watching pro sports, as the prima donna multi millionaire STARS are certainly no roll models for our kids, or anyone else. I do enjoy watching college ball, but couldn't give a damn if I never see another pro game,,,,of any kind.
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 11:18 AM
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I agree Ken. This country being a free one is why they can make the money they are making. One would think that they would be thankful for that opportunity.

Makes me go Ggrrrr!
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By the way, since we know the media is anti-American, we know who is responsible for the lack of playing the anthem.
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yea, the production company..the weather delay forced them to cut out playing the anthem so they could make their commercial break obligations

but you know what's interesting...there is very little respect by the crowd when it is played..right after 911 there was a great deal of respect shown...the only football stadiums where there is total respect for the entire song is at any of our military academies
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In answer to your original question, I'm with you one hundred percent!!!!
I am glad that Marc had the follow up information.

I find myself getting more and more patriotic as I get older, and also as I see our values being lost.

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I am an American citizen by choice, I love this country and I have serviced in the US Army. This country deserves our respect, as does our flag and our national anthem. Organizations that fail to do their part to honor and respect our country don't deserve our support.

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I This country deserves our respect, as does our flag and our national anthem. Organizations that fail to do their part to honor and respect our country don't deserve our support.

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My flag is put out almost every morning (sometimes I forget).
It also COMES IN every evening.



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I didn't catch that game, but I would have been disappointed. I can't imagine being there at the game and not having it sung, it would seem odd to just start. It is wrong that it didn't happen.
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I just don't think it matters all that much. I served my country, so how did sporting events ever become a venue for patriotism. Should we sing the SPB when we start our work day or school day. I think sport owners do their share of patriotic promotion. Give the team a break.
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I just don't think it matters all that much. I served my country, so how did sporting events ever become a venue for patriotism. Should we sing the SPB when we start our work day or school day. I think sport owners do their share of patriotic promotion. Give the team a break.
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It has been customary in large venues, to have a rendention of the National Anthem played to remind us of the SACRIFICE that our brothers, sisters, uncles, aunts, parents, grandparents, cousins, etc., gave so that WE CAN gather in a place, with FREE CHOICE, to enjoy events such as sports, and other distractions of life, without the threat of disciplinary actions against us.

As a child, youth, and teenager, my schooling allowed us to recite the Pledge of Allegiance each day of school. I have belonged to social clubs, as an adult, where we have done the same.

I agree that war is not popular, I wish it didn't exist, there have been and are reasons for it that are not kosher but, at least we speak ENGLISH here and not German or Japanese because of those sacrifices in our past.

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Thank you for the above post Michael. I couldn't have said it better.

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Yes, I did volunteer because my draft number was #35( it was the only lottery that my number was chosen ) served my hitch in Missouri for the duration. Kept the VC out of the Ozarks.
My heart goes out to all the women and men who serve on the front lines. I am one of the few who wholly support President Bush and his policies, not like the liberals who did in 2001 but now changed their minds and prefer to bash the President. So, it was just one game without the national anthem, it was no big deal to me.
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I am afraid that the world that we once knew, is going away, if more people do not stand up for what's right. There will always be excuses, but until we let people know that this kind of thing will not be tolerated, it will only get worse.
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Michael, thank you for starting this thread and for speaking up about patriotism. It has been shocking to me that when the "Star Spangled Banner" is played at various events I've attended, hardly anyone sings the words (maybe because the part of the country where I live nobody knows them).
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It does matter to respect and be reminded of the great country we live in. You can look at it, and say it's just a small thing that doesn't really matter, but these little things mean a lot. I'm not saying that others don't live in great countries too. I just happen to love the one I'm in, and taking a few minutes to honor that country is well worth it.

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I just don't think it matters all that much. I served my country, so how did sporting events ever become a venue for patriotism. Should we sing the SPB when we start our work day or school day. I think sport owners do their share of patriotic promotion. Give the team a break.
The tradition of playing the national anthem before every game started with baseball during World War II. Other sports followed suit.

I think it's a nice tradition, but also don't think it matters quite as much as some are making out. The United States was just as patriotic in the old days of mostly anthlem-less sports.

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Sorry to be a grinch in all this BUUUTTT:

If you start requiring everybody and every entity to be "suitably patriotic" (or PC for that matter) then you slowly but inevitably cease to be a truly free nation. It's a form of censorship/pressure, whether you like to admit it or not.

Send the network a letter. A nice letter. Say that you like the anthem being alloted its spot; that you appreciate the tradition.

And just who decides what is "suitably patriotic" anyways? The lineup for that job starts in Albuquerque.

Freedom means just that. Free speech needs no definition. I believe one esteemed gentleman put the limits to freedom at 'you do not have the right to shout "fire!" in a crowded theatre'. I happen to agree. You CAN change the channel.
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I agree...you can't REQUIRE patriotism.
But you CAN provide the oppurtunity to practice it.
I know I can't require someone to stand when the flag passes or cover their heart when the anthem plays.
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Michael might get mad at me but here me out. As a previous poster states, it is tradition to play the national anthem, not a requirement. By this my thoughts are what rules are there for when to play the anthem? why doesn't it start our workday? why is it not played before school? when the mall opens stuff like that. While we are at it why are we not saying a couple of "our fathers" and "hail marys" before events. where does it begin and end? what is appropriate and inappropriate time and places for these things. I believe that the SSB, the pledge and prayers are appropriate anytime and anyplace that any individual deems it appropriate for them. People were miffed because of a tradition that was broken. How many "patriots" who posted on this thread stand for the SSB when it is played on there TV sets? my guess is never. So before you blast NBC for making a bad quick decision based on potential large profit losses remember they acknowledged an error in judgement, and thats all it was, bad judgement, and understand they feel bad about it and give em a second chance. Meanwhile go back to the issue of not saying the pledge in school which seems to me to be a carefully calculated decision. People are becoming less patriotic? well, what level of patriotism do we all aspire to? no 2 people are the same. I joined our military! did you? why aren't we all hanging flags on our houses? I bet alot of answers would be "it wouldn't look right with the decor in front of my house". Don't judge unless you too want to be judged!
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You make some good points.
I start every day with the SSB....I work for the USN.
There is some protocol associated with the SSB...one of which requires that you stand when it is played in public. It was never intended for you to get out of bed when the TV stations sign off at night (remember when stations signed off?) .

And as far as protocol for our flag; one of my main pet peeves is people who leave their flag out after sunset. It is either to be brought down or illuminated.
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suggest (and invite) everyone to visit New Orleans and visit our WW2 D-Day Museum where you can learn some real lessons in what patriotism should be..I am especially moved when I visit the exhibits featuring the contributions of Asian American and African American troops in light of how the government treated them and their families during WW2

whether the SSB is played before a sporting event is not an indication of patriotism IMHO
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Lots of good thoughts expressed here. Even if I don't agree with all of them, I am enjoying reading them and thinking them over.

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I cannot, for the like of me, see how a decision to forgo a tradition at one game get to be so controversial. The team did apologized for the decision and pledge that they hope it will never happen again. Michael, have you never made a wrong decision?

The only one who doesn't learn from his/her mistake is the one who never makes one.

If the National Anthem is not played a rock concerts, country & western concerts, which are sometimes larger venues than a football game, make them less patriotic? I, for one, think not.

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I do fly my flag and remove it at night and inclement weather.... If I see one of those little ones laying on the ground, I'll stoop and pick it up and reset it.

Now...

Who remembers, as I do, that television started each day and ended each day with the SSB? Also, who remembers the same with radio?
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