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Old April 23rd, 2008, 08:01 PM
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Listening to the news tonight, with airline consolidations, and the price of fuel, I say, everyone who is not living close enough to a port to cruise, pack your bags and move:):)

It sounds like prices are going to be sky high, [pun intended] with fewer planes flying many routes. Are they scaring us to death & can things get better? It sure sounds like a gloomy future:( I'm depressed already, and don't fly till next year;(
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We're seriously screwed for at least the intermediate term, and probably longer. I had this story a week ago (give me the Pulitzer). It's under "Airlines and Fuel" down the page a ways, and it was a pretty good discussion.

Oh, and don't look now, but cruise fares are going up too. Maybe the real answer is a rowboat.

Did you ever read the book "What's the Matter With Kansas?" It is fascinating how many people perpetually and persistently vote against their own economic self-interest. But we're not allowed to talk about that because it might get p-o-l-i-t-i-c-a-l.
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Old April 23rd, 2008, 09:17 PM
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Article in todays Atlanta Journal (The FishWrapper) jet fuel on Tue was $3.43 per gallon. Delta CEO Richard Anderson says fares must go up 15% to 20% to break even at current fuel prices. Delta officials were quoted as saying every time crude goes up another $1 per barrel it cost Delta another 80 Mil per year.

While it was not the price I had hoped for I booked my November travel today.
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I just saw on t.v. today that Royal Caribbean is raising its fuel service charge again. That means the rest will follow.

I said the other day how glad I was that we weren't planning to fly any place.

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Trip,
I have to agree with you.....As you know I was hoping to do an Alaska cruise this summer, been trying for over 6 months to find something that was reasonably priced....Now, I can still hold off for any last minute deals, but then I won't be able to find air?? What to do?? Already the 2009 prices are even more than 2008, so I'm on hold and may loose vacation time at work if I don't decide something soon?? Now, on top of that, even less flights that will be more money?? Yep, very depressing!!
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Old April 24th, 2008, 12:08 AM
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I wonder if any of the cruise lines will move ships to other U.S. cities so that passengers don't have to fly to get to the ships?

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Old April 24th, 2008, 02:57 AM
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Now you folks are getting a taste of what we peons "North of the Border" have had to endure for going on 20 years now..... higher prices brought on by reduced competition, resulting in price gouging, outsourcing, job losses etc. etc. The fuel crunch is just a symptom of a much larger problem. Right now you are economically top-heavy. After it all falls over, that's when the REAL PAIN begins. The firms that are left standing will collectively give it to you in the butt.

China is to the USA what the USA was to Canada 20 years ago - an instrument of forced economic change. Enjoy your recession/restructuring. Ours was fun. (And you can't renegotiate NAFTA because WE have all the oil, water and electricity you need so badly .... .... )

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Old April 24th, 2008, 08:35 AM
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I wonder if any of the cruise lines will move ships to other U.S. cities so that passengers don't have to fly to get to the ships?

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Yeah, why not Omaha?

Seriously, how many deepwater ports in cities with decent air service are there left to use? Because, even if YOU don't have to fly to get there, it's damn sure that a lot of others will have to if they hope to fill the ship.

Which brings up what to me is the most interesting question. Would you guys seriously make not having to fly the primary factor in selecting a cruise? By definition, doing this would essentially mean taking the same or similar cruises over and over. Is where you go on the cruise so unimportant that you are willing to let it be dictated by whether or not you have to get on a plane to get to the ship?

This fascinates and amazes me.
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AR...Carnival may have anticpated this challenge by having the Conquest next year do some eastern caribbean ports on a trial basis to attract back repeat customers within driving range of Galveston..I think also you will see longer (8-9) day cruises which will give extended range for additional ports

United bankruptcy exit plan was based upon fuel being $61 a barrel and now it's over $100 so you think they are not in deep trouble and may be making another visit to bankruptcy court soon..they can't get any more out of labor, so you will see route cuts, reduce capacity, raised fare and other addtional charges to try to starve off another filing

depending on the cruise, I would still fly, may have to downgrade my cabin choice to make up for increase cost of airfare..an inside cabin out of Venice is not so bad
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AR, I wonder if there aren't people out there who look forward to the on board part of cruising even more than where it's going. I would think so. I know being here in Florida the routes can get somewhat tedious, but sometimes just getting away, and being on a ship is good enough reason to go. I really enjoy being able to cruise, and also seeing new places so right now cruising offers the best of both worlds.

I wonder if ships will begin to look at more foreign ports of origination rather than American ports as a way to boost revenues. As our American dollar loses value, do you think that's a possibility?

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I had booked my airfare for the cruise a few weeks ago at $250. from Jersey to Miami (which is not that bad although I used to pay $200. sometimes lower) checked last week at my flights with continental and the airfare went down by $25.00! :evil: I already paid so there is nothing I can do about it.

My RCCL cruise went down by $420. which they are nice enough to give me a credit. And I'm still eyeing my cruise rates because I have a feeling the rate will go down again still many cabins available for that sailing.

With more and more ships out there and the economy being so bad I don't know how all those ships will be filled with cruisers each week.
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United bankruptcy exit plan was based upon fuel being $61 a barrel and now it's over $100 so you think they are not in deep trouble and may be making another visit to bankruptcy court soon..they can't get any more out of labor, so you will see route cuts, reduce capacity, raised fare and other addtional charges to try to starve off another filing
Oh, yes, of course. I think unless the regulators stop the DL/NW deal in its tracks (unlikely), you'll soon see United and Continental hook up, with Continental being the alpha male in the deal. Which will probably mean the United brand will go away. Which means that in my flying career, I've seen the demise of some of the greatest brands: PanAm, TWA, Eastern, and now Northwest, and probably United. Plus some lesser lights, but nice airlines, like the old Northeast, the old Frontier, the old Piedmont, the old PSA, the old Western.

Anyway, UA and CO will want to do the deal as fast as possible, because they want to get it done under the current administration, which has the most laissez-faire regulation record in history. They assume, probably correctly, that ANY administration that follows will beef up anti-trust and other kinds of regulation as well.
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AR,

I was referring to the Northwest Corner of the U.S. specifically, although the West Coast in general.

Portland is a deep-water port, that rarely sees a cruise ship. I'd cruise a lot more, if ships called upon Portland -- or even Astoria!

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CruiseQueen, try and get a voucher for the diffeence on your air..
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Yeah, but PDT airport is a tough, expensive place to connect to. I'm sure the cruise lines build economic models based on how many "drive-in" passengers they're likely to get vs. how many will have to fly, in order to fill a ship. And then they look at service and fares at the airport.

Then they make choices based on that. It's relatively easy to fly to the LA area airports, and San Francisco area airports, and even Seattle isn't bad. But Portland, not so much.
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CruiseQueen, try and get a voucher for the diffeence on your air..
Thanks Trip I just gave them a call and I will be getting a voucher for the difference.

I guess I better also keep an eye on my Vegas and Croatia air you never know.
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Dean.......I know what ya mean.......I mean how many Alaska cruises can ya go on????? We went to Astoia when the Radiance was in......the town didn't seem to know it was coming.......what a shock they musta got......



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AR, I agree about the idea of politicos voting to shoot themselves, and us, in the foot.
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I see Portland or Astoria as ideal launching points for Alaska Cruises, Pacific Northwest cruises, Hawaii Cruises, and Mexican Riviera cruises.

The way I see it, it's a long, long, flight to Miami to cruise for 7 days, and another long, long flight back to Portland or Seattle. Cruises from Portland would attract a large number of passengers from the Northwest simply because they could just drive to the port.

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I booked my Panama Canal cruise for next March. I guess I better start hunting out air to Los Angeles now. Only need one way. Ship will arrive in Miami so it is just a bus/train ride back to Lakeland for me. I am thinking after this I will make more use of the Florida ports.

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Mean Dean..no major airline hubs in PDX or have alot of transcon non stops so thus not alot of feed for cruiselines to bring passengers in and since you are so close to SEA which is a better jump off port for Alaska

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Just about everything is impacted by high fuel cost. Shipping in general impacts housing, manufacturing, retail and food. I think the only way to drive down oil prices is open up Alaska and off shore drilling. If there is another source prices will drop. I know this is tough for the green groups, but if things don't change we are in for a rough ride. Mike
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This is when you simply MUST buy travel insurance. Flights are cancelled and delayed all the time! And, always fly a day early to the port of embarkation ... if the airline looses your luggage there's a much better chance you'll get it back.
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