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Old March 6th, 2003, 05:00 PM
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Probably a stupid question but is there really a smoking side and non-smoking side on Carnival ships? I have always sailed Costa and they didn't seem to have any policy what so ever. Being a smoker I enjoyed that freedom. I would not however want to smoke where it wasn't allowed so if anyone has an answer to this please let me know.

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Old March 6th, 2003, 05:07 PM
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I'm not sure about Carnival, but Royal Caribbean is that way.
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Old March 6th, 2003, 05:16 PM
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Yes, the port side is smoking and the starboard side non-smoking (or vice versa) in the public areas. The casino is smoking and the bars are smoking. Non-smoking in the dining rooms, show lounge, gym, etc.

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Old March 6th, 2003, 05:17 PM
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I was on a Carnival ship and spent a lot of time on the starboard Lido afterdeck, where there were rail-mounted ashtrays. I never made it to the port side afterdeck so I don't know if there were ashtrays there. However, at least along the starboard rail forward of the afterdeck there were no ashtrays. On the port rail forward of the afterdeck there were. And I saw ashtrays all over the pool area, on the afterdeck of the promenade deck. And several ashtrays along the promenade boulevard near the casino. I hope that points you in the right direction.

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Old March 6th, 2003, 05:24 PM
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Thanks for the info, after posting I did a search and from previous posts it sounds like a rather hot topic with some people. Too bad people just can't get along. I personally can't stand to be around children when on vacation so I just avoid them. I'm sure everyone has certain things they don't like but they shouldn't let it ruin thier cruise experience. Thanks again for the info
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Old March 7th, 2003, 08:45 AM
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I don't really think it's a matter of not getting along; our 9-year-old son has asthma and second-hand smoke in places that aren't properly vented can make him ILL. So you see, it's not like we are making the decision that we "don't want to get along with smokers", we just ask that they respect non-smoker's rights, too, (which most do) not to have their time ruined by illness brought on by another's addiction.

As far as not liking kids, I guess that is a personal choice. That statement always cracks me up, though. Wasn't everybody a kid once? I find that both children AND adults misbehave at times, but it's much easier to tolerate in a kid (not that I tolerate it much in our own kids - they know to "tow the line"), but what would be the adult's excuse? As far as that whole issue goes, I've read on boards and in travel books that there are actually cruise ships that don't allow children under a certain age, so there's something for everyone, I guess.
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Old March 7th, 2003, 09:00 AM
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I agree some people are just inconsiderate. I have a child myself and enjoy children just not when I'm on vacation, I mean that's why I'm on vacation, to get away from it all. I take a week fishing with the guys to Canada yearly and don't take the wife that doesn't mean I don't like her I just need some time alone. I have taken my daughter to Europe with us and many places around the states but the cruise is "our time". Smokers are generally discriminated against you will have to admit. They have resteraunts, bars, ships and many other places smoking isn't allowed. It always cracks me up when I see someone whining about smoking but frequents bars where they know most people will be smoking. As I enjoy a few drinks myself that doesn't mean I like to be around drunken brawls. They should come up with a smokers only cruise so we can all sit around smoking cigars w/o any complaining. My goodness they have nude cruses (something to think about, well maybe not). I don't complain on my vacations I make the best of things even when I don't agree with them. With all the smoke free places, ships etc. I think people should give the smoking complaints a rest. I'm sure there is some risk to second hand smoke but also with over drinking, eating etc. People that live in glass houses.......
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Old March 7th, 2003, 12:45 PM
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Well, I don't frequent bars, I don't overeat, I exercise regularly, and I certainly don't smoke, so I'm not sure what my glass house would be. Frankly, I don't give a rat's butt if anonymous smokers want to poison themselves slowly; it's their business, I agree. However, it becomes my business when it harms me or mine (you know, the old adage, "your rights end where my nose begins" -sic).

I do my best to stay out and keep my children out of smoker hangouts, but I don't see how whining about how smokers are discrimated against is even logical. Smoking costs families so much in grief (my husband and I both lost our fathers very prematurely to smoking-related illnesses - and believe me, they were "perfectly healthly" up until they weren't - so they thought), and significantly costs society in general in terms of health insurance, medicare, and medicaid costs (as do other addictions, I agree, such as alcohol and overeating). It's only logical that the 75% of non-smokers in society get fed up occasionally. It is not personal.

This is certainly a controversial issue, since I imagine one can never convince people who suffer from addictions that they should give them up; it is something they must ultimately decide for themselves. And it has been addressed in a very spirited manner on this board and others. And just a note: there are not non-smoking SHIPS - there is only one, the Paradise, of which I am aware.
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Old March 7th, 2003, 01:38 PM
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GEEZ! Didn't mean to get you that fired up OBrien. Just pointing out that everyone can find something to complain about. My wife gets ill when around someone with alot of perfume on. How affended would you be if my wife was standing next to yours and her perfume was making my wife sick and I ask your wife to please leave the area because of my wife intolerance to to smell of perfume. She or I would never do that. We understand that the world is made up of many different lifestyles and has it's problems. It's really the same thing. It makes me sick to see grossly overweight women in thongs too but I wouldn't complain or embarass them by asking them to leave. I will continue to smoke, right now I have an 80 year old mother in a nursing home who never smoked and doesn't even know who she is. A good reason in my mind to continue smoking so hopefully I don't end up that way. What I meant about glass houses was everyone has some sort of vice, it may even be anal about working out. You know the type - jogging when it's 20 below zero. But it sounds as though you consider yourself one of those "perfect people". How nice. You must be a young fellow if you had lived fifty years ago I'm quite certain you would have been miserable before everthing started becoming politically correct. It's amazing most over even made it to adult hood drinking tap water, no car seats, toys to be swallowed, everyone smoking around us even in hospitals, riding in the back of pickup's you get the drift. And I'm not picking on you and I know it sounds that way, I'm picking on the discriminitory non-smoking public in general. I have lots of friends that don't smoke and would never be so inconsiderate to light up at thier homes. It's all a matter of manners and I think in this day and age most smokers are very considerate of others and it's hard because we are constantly being told what to do by non-smokers. If you would read my first post I wasn't intending on getting this started I just asked a simle question as to where I can smoke on the ship so I wouldn't bother the non-smokers.
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Old March 7th, 2003, 01:44 PM
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Sorry Obrien, After re-reading your last post I realize I am speaking with a woman and not a man so sorry about the perfume question. But you understand what I'm saying right?
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Old March 8th, 2003, 12:17 PM
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Supercruiser,

Two of the most fanatical groups in the world:

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Old March 8th, 2003, 10:59 PM
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I smoke but for the most part it is a solitary experience, having a husband that does not smoke helps. Whether at work or on a ship, just point me to the little corner, designated for smokers and that is where I will go. I would much prefer that to having people wave their arms or using other gestures to let me know they are upset. I think most people that smoke feel the same way. When referring to a smoker as having an addiction, it is usually said with a tone of superiority, whereas other types of addictions are referred to with sympathy and understanding, including some that can inflict harm to those around them. Like I said, just give me my little corner and I will be happy.
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What gets my goat are non smokers who sit or stand in a designated smoking section then proceed to complain about how smoky it is in there. Seen it on every cruise I have been on......once I finally turned around and said to them "This is a designated smoking area - if you don't like it, go somewhere else." I'm a non-smoker but was keeping a friend company out on deck (near a amounted ashtray) just before dinner. All it takes is common sense on both sides and manners on both sides.

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Old March 9th, 2003, 06:37 PM
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Here is the deal on smoking. The port (left) side of the decks are non-smoking, according to ship personnel on the Carnival Legend. Problem is, Carnival doesn't put signs up to let anyone know this policy!!!! It appears that Carnival could resolve this tiff if they posted a few singns. If your a non-smoker, stay out of the casino, the smoke will make even a chain smokers eyes BURN.
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Old March 10th, 2003, 12:15 AM
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Spike....maybe the presence of ashtrays would be a good indicator of the smoking areas. Just a wild guess.

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Old March 10th, 2003, 09:45 AM
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That was always my indicator Rick. But then I was a smoker. I guess non-smokers don't zero in on things like that because they aren't accustomed to looking for such things. But I agree a few signs posted by the ship would help.

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Old March 10th, 2003, 10:12 AM
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Just the facts, "Dan-O" - believe me, you do not have the power to get me fired up about anything, seeing as I have not ever made your acquaintance. But you brought up the subject of smoking, and we are a family who has been deeply wounded by just that behavior. I am entitled to my opinion, and will not resort to cheap put-downs to express it. The simple fact is that It just breaks my heart to see my 9-year-old son's chest constricting during an asthma attack when he's trying to simply draw a breath, particularly when it's been brought on by people smoking in public places (and I can assure you that he doesn't spend any time in bars or casinos). We are deeply saddened that our sons have no grandfathers, directly because of smoking. We are all haunted by the memories of their protracted, horrible deaths, with brown mucus draining from their mouths and noses as they begged for death to take them.

Yes, I am part of the "discriminatory non-smoking public", and proud of it. We are a growing majority, thank goodness! No, I am not perfect, but I am pretty darn sure I don't engage in behavior on a daily basis that threatens the health and well-being of others.

Let me remind you: you brought this up! Smoke away - they're your lungs! Enjoy them while you have them!

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Old March 10th, 2003, 10:54 AM
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OBrianLads,
You are right, we feel the same way about this. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------that is all I am allowed to post about this. They remove all of my posts from Cruise Mates. They must be heavy into tobacco stock.

Book the Paradise, they can't bother us on that ship.
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Old March 10th, 2003, 10:56 AM
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Why would anyone with major health concerns that can be triggered by cigarette smoke even think about cruising on a smoking ship when the Paradise is available? I don't get it. If it were me I wouldn't even consider a smoking ship. No matter how well the non-smoking sections are labeled, the smoke will eventually filter into those areas. I would think the non-smokers that have problems with smoke would be elated that they have this option. Just an observation.
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Roger, that isn't true, we don't just remove your posts. It is true that we remove any and all posts that make personal attacks or call people names. That is plainly spelled out in the Rules of posting as this is a friendly and family type place. I don't smoke and don't wish to be around them, but so long as they are doing so in a legal manner I have no choice but to be polite to them when they do. I either leave or they graciously put out their tobacco products. There is no need to go into name-calling.
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Old March 10th, 2003, 01:39 PM
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Well, we did actually look first at the Paradise, precisely for the reason that we're so spiritedly debating. However, it did not work for the dates we had available. Anyway, since it is the ONLY non-smoking ship (which I consider to be the cruiselines' oversight), 75% of the population can't be expected to cram onto it.

Our son will take extra medication, use his inhaler often if necessary, stay away from smokers and smoking areas as much as possible, and we'll all concentrate on having the time of our lives.
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Old March 10th, 2003, 02:11 PM
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Jim Bragg,
I have not made personal attacts. I do not call people names. I can however voice my opinion about tobacco and the people that use it. And when that product so radically effects every aspect of our lives, I have every right to do so.
That anyone would think that the non-smoking public should be relegated to one ship is absurd. We should be able to go onto any ship without having to endanger our health to do so. The problem is that no matter how big the space, if a person smokes, everyone in that space smokes.
Believe me when I say, if smoking only affected the smoker I would be the first to fight for their right to smoke, ( anywhere, anytime ). But that is not the case.
Smokers are discriminated against, at least they can go into a place that is smoke free, if smoking is allowed we no longer have a choice.
I am not picking on you, I know it sounds that way, I am picking on the discriminatory smoking public in general.
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It's a fact that people smoke. So get used to it and stay away it you don't like it. It's just that simple. Also should stay away from car emmisions they are much worse than second hand smoke. Also should stay away from pollen makes some peopple crazy all spring. My goodness you are much more likely to die in a car accident on any given day than from second hand smoke. I quit for several years once and never called smokers addicts or ridiculed them. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but it's absurd to think you can keep yourself in a bubble all your life. People keep talking about this 75% of the population don't smoke but fail to mention that alot of that 75 % are women and children. The fact is that about 50% of the male population smoke. And years ago it was alot higher. Actually I really don't consider smoking an addition but more of a lifestyle one chooses. It's possible to qui if you really want to and I don't want to be grouped into that paticular catagory. If you want to call it addiction better look at yourself right now as your drinking that 5th cup of caffine today. Close to where I live they have a town that recently passed a law for no smoking in restaraunts and bars. The owners of these establishments are going crazy about the large loss of revenue. Appears the non-smokers like the new environment but not well enough to cough up and extra 35% on thier bill to payu for thier new found "clean air". Talk is cheap
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I kind of agree with one of the posters. Wouldn't it be a good idea to move the PARADISE around a little bit, so there would be different itineraries from time to time? This would allow the non-smoker more options as it relates to destinations and home ports.
I think Carnival's statistics would bear out the fact that non-smokers tend to not drink as much either, so they are probably not very excited about having more than one PARADISE. They are almost always incredible bargains because they have much difficulty filling the ship.

I try to be very considerate of the non-smoker, but some, quite frankly tend to be a pain in the butt with their preaching. Especially when that preacher is 70 lbs overweight, slamming down martinis one right after another, and is out of breath getting the mail.

IMHO (stress on humble), I think it is inconsiderate to take a child with breathing problems on a cruise ship that allows smoking.
My guess is, its not as bad as the poster would like to make it sound, or I'm incapable of understanding their actions.

Smoking killed my ex-wife's Grandmother too. You just can't smoke for 94 years and expect that it won't have debilatory effects on your health! (I know its anecdotal)<grin>. The objective evidence is overwhelming, however.

I quit drinking, run 30 min/day, lift 30 min/day, but can't shake smoking. I'm so hooked on nicotine, I don't even bother saying the smoker's lie anymore,"Sure wish I could quit".

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Obrien...is smoking the ONLY thing that affects your son?

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I'm not getting into this with you again, Rick. If the original poster of this debate had looked into past posts, he would have seen that we have "been there - done that". Short answer for you: NOYB.

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Nice innocent act, SC, but I believe it was your SECOND post on this thread that was offensive. I agree that the original question was legitimate.
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And just what did I say that was offensive- That people should learn to get along. I was insulted when you spoke about people with addictions like you have any idea what your talking about. I do not any way feel addicted to cigarettes, I enjoy them. And I am sypothetic to you childs condition my daughter has a lung problem and I do not smoke near her but I would also not take her on a cruise where smoking anywhere is allowed.
I would not take a cruise where smoking was allowed if it bothered me. Nor would I go anywhere where smoking was allowed if I had a condition that could make me stop breathing. What is your point!
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IMHO......one can not reason with zealots smokers and non-smokers). Let it go. Like it or not, smoking is allowed on ship in designated areas. I smoke in designated areas and find that the non smoking areas are perfectly fine for non smokers. One would hope that a responsible parent would not expose their kids with respiratory problems that are triggered by smoke and other things to the things that trigger an attack. This is a no winner thread. We must just accept that we disagree about the issue. Lighting up .

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Rick,

Well said, enough is enough!

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